Volusia ECHO Advisory Board Meeting Minutes
August 8, 2001
County Council Chambers
DeLand, Florida

Members Present Staff present
Gary Libby, Chair 
Janet Williams, Vice Chair (3:15 p.m.) 
Teri Ford Cobean 
Marc Davidson (3:10 p.m.) 
Allen Green
Linda Hargreaves
Charles Matousek
Roy Schleicher
Frank Gummey, Asst. Co. Atty.
Margaret Hodge, Coordinator
Ann Sagraves, Recording Secretary
Ruby Barnett, Staff Support

Visitors (signed in)

Jim McGee 
Larry Nordman
Gail Henrikson 
Holli Vanater
Richard Newell 
Kent Donahue
Dave Borland 
Michele Goins
Ingred Swenson 
Leslie Butler
Michael Sanden 
Greg Bartholomew
Irene Johnson 
Joe Sullivan

I. Call To Order, Introductory Remarks, Roll Call:

Chair Libby called the meeting to order at 3:00 p.m., and asked staff to take Roll Call of members. Members of the audience were asked to stand and introduce themselves.

II. Approval of July 25, 2001 Minutes:

Member Schleicher MOVED to APPROVE the minutes of the July 25, 2001 ECHO meeting. Mr. Matousek SECONDED the motion. Chair Libby asked for discussion, there was none and the minutes were unanimously approved.

III. Staff Report:

Ms. Hodge stated that the August 9, 2001 meeting with County Council was rescheduled for August 16, 2001 at a time certain of 2:25 p.m.

Chair Libby stated that they have forwarded on to the County Council the 8/6/01 working draft application, knowing that it might be updated, to keep them abreast of the developments.

Ms. Hodge stated that members’ folders contained the stricken through version of the draft application that identified approximately 95% of the changes. Also, in the folders was the definition of the term "complex", in addition to a Page 7, a recommendation by the Legal Department for a "new terms language" for the Volusia County Council review section. Also, the folder contained a Resolution Criteria Requirement paper, which showed sections of the application that included the requirement (Resolution 2000-156). Two other items included were examples of project type and different scenarios of funding examples.

IV. Old Business:

There was no old business brought before the Committee.

V. New Business:

Chair Libby asked the Board if they had reviewed the August 6, 2001 draft of the Volusia County Request for Intent to Apply (RFIA). He stated that the draft reflected all of the changes to date and asked for a motion to adopt the RFIA 2001 (as drafted). Ms. Cobean Moved to ADOPT the RFIA 2001. Mr. Schleicher SECONDED. Chair Libby asked for discussion. There was some discussion of the language in reference to environmental/ecological and historical/heritage. Chair Libby asked if anyone was uncomfortable with this and reminded the Board that it was just a draft and would go to the County Council for discussion and also public hearings.

Mr. Gummey stated that legally they were okay to just go with the distribution of the RFIA without Council’s official approval, as it was just an information gathering document.

There was a unanimous approval of the RFIA 2001 moving forward, with the understanding that the County Council would get a copy of it first.

Chair Libby asked that the Board insert the single Page 7 into the lined out copy that will be used as the working copy of the application. He asked if any member of the Board had any specific questions on items of the application packet.

Mr. Davidson asked about the "complex" definition. Chair Libby stated that it was an added definition that would be added to the "definition section."

Chair Libby also stated that the lined out copy was the result of reformatting and consolidating some of the sections into a format that would be neater and cleaner, and that the Legal Department had reviewed it.

Chair Libby asked the Board to review Page 7 of the lined out copy of the Grant Application and also the new single sheet Page 7 which represents a recommendation from the Legal Department. The original narrative under Volusia County Council Review states, "The review panel will submit the project priority list to the County Council of Volusia County for final approval". Chair Libby read Mr. Gummey’s recommended language: "At a minimum the department shall provide the County Council a list of all project applicants, project names, project locations, and funding requests. The ECHO Advisory Committee shall provide a list of their recommended projects, with recommended grant amounts and direct expenditures to County Council for final approval. The Council may change the list of recommended projects or alter the grant amounts or direct expenditures, but they may not add grants or direct expenditures for projects that were not determined eligible by the Advisory Committee, unless the County Council declares a project eligible for direct expenditure upon the specific finding that the project is of paramount public importance."

Mr. Matousek asked the reasoning behind the intent of the section.

Mr. Gummey stated that it has two reasons: (1) to provide the Legal Department’s answer to a discussion that he and Chair Libby had at the last meeting regarding Council’s authority; and (2) being consistent with the Volusia Forever program, where the application provides discretion for the County Council to revise whatever recommendation received from the Forever Advisory Committee. He stated that the County Council ultimately has responsibility for providing for County-wide needs, whether it is through their operating budget or through the ECHO program. If the ECHO Committee chooses not to recommend a project that is a County project with direct expenditures, and the Council determines it is of public importance, the Council retains the authority to make the appropriation.

Ms. Cobean voiced her concerns over the funding of the grants and the time spent reviewing each application, and then it going before County Council and the Council overriding the Board’s recommendation. She objected to the change of verbiage concerning the Council’s ability to change the list of recommended projects, altering the grant amounts or direct expenditures, etc.

Mr. Gummey responded that "if" the County Council does have the authority, then it is appropriate to put forth a procedure to recognize and advise all applicants of that authority.

Mr. Schleicher stated that for the benefit of the ECHO Committee, he agreed with Ms. Cobean. However, he stated that looking at it from the County Council side, the recommendations would be sent to the County Council from the ECHO Board for them to adopt and follow, and if the Council allowed "more than" the Committee recommended, then he felt that during the process every act that the Committee did could be taken to the level of the County Council. He stated that he didn’t think the County Council wanted this to happen. He felt that the language should state, "If the County Council does not like what the Committee has sent them, they can veto it and send it back, but not to change the recommendation."

Ms. Hargreaves stated that the County Council should have the right to accept or reject and that should be stated in the wording.

Ms. Williams felt that there should be a built in mechanism for County Council to veto the Board’s decisions internally, and lobby for that paramount project.

Ms. Cobean stated that in the past with the Cultural Council, organizations have gone to the County Council and tried to circumvent the Cultural Council and the County Council has referred them back to the Cultural Board. She made a MOTION that the original language be re-inserted, "The review panel will submit the project priority list to the County Council of Volusia County for final approval. The Council will review the results of the panel meeting and approve or deny the recommended projects." She felt that the wording states that County Council does not have to rubber-stamp the recommendation. Ms. Cobean stated that the recommended changes, "the department shall provide the County Council a list of all project applicants, project names, project locations and funding requests" was acceptable. Ms. Cobean made a MOTION to ADD that language to the wording. Mr. Davidson SECONDED the motion.

There was discussion on the language concerning County Council and the motion.

Mr. Gummey stated that what he had previously presented was consistent with the enabling Resolution that established the County Council as the body responsible for awarding grants and making direct expenditures. He felt that it was not uncommon that recommendations made to County Council (such as PLDRC) are scrutinized and amended, or rejected. He stated that it is not uncommon that advisory board recommendations are changed.

Mr. Schleicher stated that the process through the PLDRC, was a three step process; (1) Staff Report (which recommends for/or against the application); (2) It then goes to PLDRC where there is a second recommendation made which leads to; (3) Going before the County Council. The difference with what the motion leads the Board to is that with Council adopting the paragraph, stating as part of their (Council) process, they will accept the list from the panel, as is, or they will send it back to the Advisory Committee for re-evaluation. Council would not make any additional decisions.

Ms. Cobean read the recommended change in wording, as follows:

Page 7, new language - "At a minimum, the department shall provide the County Council with a list of all project applicants, project names, project locations, and funding requests. The ECHO Advisory Committee shall provide a list of their recommended projects, with recommended grant amounts and direct expenditures to the County Council for final approval. The Council will review the results of the panel meeting and approve or deny recommended projects."

Chair Libby asked for further discussion. There was none, and the MOTION was unanimously approved.

Alice Cycler, a past County Council member, stated that if she were on the County Council and the recommendation came before her, she would reject it completely. She felt that by having this wording as stated in the motion, took the final decision out of the Council’s hands (as elected officials) and put it into the hands of an appointed board. She asked if the Council approval would be project by project or the entire project list.

Chair Libby stated that it could go either way.

Mr. Sanden, City of Ormond Beach, stated that he would support the motion as recommended.

Chair Libby asked Ms. Hodge to incorporate this revised verbiage into the draft application. He then discussed the Table of Contents which had been reduced from 26 items to 18 items. The Board was asked to compare the lined through version with the 8/06/01 version.

Discussion was as follows:

1. Introduction - No changes

2. Volusia ECHO Program Goals - No changes

3. Applicant Eligibility & Program Requirements - 1C was changed to read "budgeted organization".

4. Funding Policy - No changes

5. Application Time Table - Friday, March 22, 2002; applicants with incomplete applications section has been moved to follow the technical review deadline.

6. Mailing & Submission Procedures

Ms. Hodge stated that she did not feel staff should look at applications received after the technical review deadline and be expected to advise applicants of incomplete applications.

Ms. Cobean stated that originally it said that the application would be mailed by certified mail, return receipt requested, and now we are giving them the option, they MAY wish to mail it.

Ms. Hodge stated that they could deliver it or mail it. She was concerned with using the postmarked date, as she has received mail two weeks after the date of the postmark.

Ms. Cobean stated her concern was that the applicant would mail their application without return receipt and have no proof. They should suggest or recommend to them that some type of return receipt be used when mailing the application.

Mr. Gummey suggested that the safest course would be to have a deadline and tell them that they could choose the method of delivery, either hand delivered or return receipt. However, they would only be considered if they met the deadline.

Ms. Hodge suggested that the applicant be directed to call on the day of the deadline to ensure the application had been received.

Chairman Libby stated that this situation would be addressed in the workshop.

Ms. Williams stated that under "Technical Eligibility Review Deadline," sample should be taken out of the verbiage.

Chair Libby asked Ms. Hodge to strike "sample" from the paragraph, and also to include "one copy of the application" in the sentence.

7. Application Review Process & Calendar - Page 7 revised earlier

8. Project Support Period - No changes

9. Application Definitions - Continue to look at definitions and they will fine-tune them.

Mr. Matousek stated that the definition for historic was separate from the heritage project and was different from the definition in the RFIA and recommended they be combined and changed to be identical to what is in the RFIA. Mr. Matousek stated that another issue was on Page 10, Outdoor Recreation Projects. This definition was also different from the one in the RFIA.

Chair Libby asked that Ms. Hodge and Ms. Williams meet to adjust these definitions. Ms. Hodge stated that staff would make the changes as needed.

Chair Libby questioned whether or not they wanted to include the clause, "and may include the purchase of land". He directed staff to eliminate the clause from the draft application.

Ms. Cobean questioned the change under definitions from department/division of Volusia County Government to a budgeted organization of Volusia County Government.

Ms. Hodge explained the need for the term budgeted organization was because County government restructures itself and may do so whenever needed.

Chair Libby stated that when they get to the number of applications per applicant, they may want to revisit this term.

Ms. Hargreaves questioned the term "complex" on Page 9.

Chair Libby stated that a complex would be an added definition to the draft of 8/6/01. The definition reads: A complex is where a project is located in the same building or multiple buildings of the same site as another project, or the projects share infrastructure or in supporting facilities, share amenities, signage or designation or have other attributes of actual or perceived linkages. Mr. Libby stated that municipalities have lands set aside for complexes of different types.

Ms. Hodge stated that the definition was going to relate further in the document when Funding Caps and Grant Requests were discussed. These sections will address why the definition of the word complex was entered.

  1. Application Submission Format & Evaluation Procedures - These were relocated.

Ms. Hodge explained the score sheet sample was previously located in the back of the document and was brought forward. A full page example of the score page was not needed, just a sample reduced in size, of how the ECHO Score Sheet may look.

Chair Libby discussed the different point totals, and asked if the committee was comfortable with Scope of Work from 1- 15, Project Budgets and Matching Funds Statement 1- 15, Operating Forecast Detail 1- 25, and the Impact as the most significant 1- 45 points.

Ms. Hodge stated that the points should be based on the needs of the community, and not the needs of the applicant organization. A lot of the narratives relative to the Resolution’s goals will be found in Tab 5, Project Impact.

11. Projects: Single Phase/MultiphaseChanges in bonus points

Ms. Hodge stated that there were no changes, except for going from 2 bonus points to 1 bonus point on the multiphase. Ms. Hodge stated that she and Chair Libby had met on this matter and felt that points might serve better in the areas addressing the Resolution’s goals, versus a multiphase project.

Chair Libby stated that the panel should realize that if any member of the panel should recluse themselves from voting for any reason, and they throw out the top and the bottom scores, and one person is absent, there are five people voting or fewer if there are more absences. Chair Libby asked if the Committee was comfortable with 1 bonus point versus the 2 points for Multiphase projects.

Ms. Hargreaves asked Chair Libby and Ms. Cobean, if in their experience, the applications tended to be that close between 1 and 1 ½ points.

Chair Libby stated that if this panel and future panels were very conservative and did not choose to see great differences in the applications, then one point is a million. If there was a huge range in the projects, based on clear criteria, then there would be a natural range where one point would not make a difference. He asked if the panel wanted to give a multiphase project any points at all and, if so, how many.

Ms. Hargreaves asked how the panel would be looking at multiphase projects, just for the one year or for the entire phase of the project.

Chair Libby explained why the State uses the point system on multiphase projects.

Discussion was held on the multiphase point system. General consensus of the panel was to use 1 (one) point and revisit the point system at a later date. The panel was comfortable with the high and low scores being thrown out and the conflict of interest section tabled for further discussion.

Mr. Davidson stated he felt that a minimum of 5 and a maximum of 7 member votes should be averaged. He further stated not to thrown out the high and low scores.

Chair Libby asked Ms. Hodge and Mr. Gummey to meet and arrive at a "minimum acceptable number" that would be used for Board votes. He asked if the panel was comfortable with throwing out "elimination of the high and low scores and just averaging the scores of the members present."

Mr. Davidson reiterated that he felt all the votes should count and not to throw out the high and low scores. He stated that the example of the multiphase project should be deleted.

Chair Libby stated that the example would be eliminated and the high and the low scores would not be thrown out. Everyone present at the Grant Panel Review meeting (if there was a quorum) would be voting members.

Ms. Cobean commented on the conflict of interest that needed to be addressed.

Chair Libby noted that there is case law and State guidelines on "conflict of interest" that the County Council follows. Mr. Libby stated, "The question is, if you feel you have a conflict of heart, whether or not you would be allowed to recluse yourself from voting. Unless you have a very serious conflict of interest, which you would derive a benefit, the State law requires you to vote. You may fill out a conflict of interest form and state your conflict of interest and then it becomes part of the record."

Mr. Gummey provided information on conflict of interest: No committee member who is a board member, officer, employee, consultant, advisor, or who has a contractual or beneficial relationship with any entity that is an applicant for grantee of funds from the Volusia ECHO Program, shall participate in consideration of or vote on any matter concerning that entity.

Chair Libby stated that the project extensions section of the document had not changed.

Mr. Davidson questioned why an extension would be given.

Chair Libby stated that it would be for finishing "the project" and this would be added to the verbiage of the project extensions section.

12. Funding: Match and Cash Requirements

Chair Libby stated, "The current proposal states, the maximum grant amount that may be requested is $500,000 annually, per applicant, per project. There is no minimum funding cap and the decision needed to be made regarding the number of applications each applicant was entitled to." He said that there were two alternatives shown in the application: (1) Each applicant could submit an application in each one of the four ECHO categories and (2) All applicants would be eligible to apply in two of the four ECHO areas. He then read through the Funding statement and asked if the Committee was comfortable with the wording.

Mr. Davidson stated that he remembered the cap being $6M and not $3M (cap for a complex facility).

Ms. Hodge explained that the funding of what might be considered a "complex facility" had been discussed under the Funding Cap at previous meetings. At the last meeting, staff noted some Committee members seemed concerned regarding a partnership grant or if the Board allowed several people to come forward with a grant for one site, that ultimately millions of dollars could be spent at one location. Ms. Hodge stated, "The question is, what is the cap (if there is a cap) for a complex that may have one to four applicants building on it."

Chair Libby asked each Committee member what he or she felt should be the maximum allowable amount for any complex project.

Mr. Green stated, "A maximum amount might limit what an applicant wants to do."

Mr. Schleicher stated, "Originally thought $500,000 was right, not in favor of a maximum limit set on paper, as a project could benefit a large area of people and that the Panel has enough knowledge, personal experience and common sense to set limits even if they were not on paper." He felt that the Board would use its best judgement.

Chair Libby stated the question was "whether or not to limit a single project." He stated that the initiative was discussed with the voters and there was always a limit of $3M cap per single project.

Ms. Cobean expressed that she would like to have a workshop to discuss: (1) How the funding is going to work (2) How the allocations are going to be done and (3) The funding cap.

Chair Libby stated that with the more options you have, the more you have a need for limits.

There was discussion on the limits of funding.

Ms. Hargreaves stated, "When you limit dollars, you limit vision."

Chair Libby asked the Committee if they would be comfortable with eliminating the $3M over the 20-year life of the program and keep the $500,000 and the 3-year rule, bringing the maximum to $6M. He asked if the Committee was comfortable with the $6M over the life of the program.

Ms. Hodge stated that the 20-year lifetime portion would be eliminated, and the $6M per project would be re-inserted in the application draft.

Mr. Matousek suggested a 5-year maximum limitation. He also suggested that the Board define project. He felt that if the definition of project would be any one of the four ECHO categories, then the Resolution states that the money was to be distributed equitably over the life of the funding.

Ms. Cobean expressed concerns discussing the 20-year lifetime portion, the maximum limitation and the funding cap, since the Funding Process has not been established, nor have they addressed the equitable distribution or how many applicants or projects may come in under each of the ECHO categories. She felt some of the decisions might preclude the discussion about the cap.

Chair Libby repeated that this document was just a draft and there would be adjustments made.

Mr. Davidson made a MOTION that the entire Section Funding Caps be stricken. Ms. Hargreaves SECONDED the motion. Chair Libby asked for discussion. Ms. Cobean stated that she was not prepared to vote on the motion at this point until the funding process was addressed. Mr. Matousek stated that a workshop was needed or a section on the agenda just to deal with these kind of issues. Mr. Davidson WITHDREW his motion.

Chair Libby reiterated that the Committee was okay with the $500,000 grant request per project, no minimum funding amounts, $1.5M over 5 years, and the maximum amount per project or complex, but timeframes (5 - 10 - 15 years) were the concern.

Mr. Schleicher stated that the workshop should deal with all of the issues of funding, and a significant portion of time needs to be blocked off (not just 45 minutes).

Chair Libby stated that the Funding and Restrictions issue would be revisited in a special workshop and by that time they would have some feedback from the County Council.

Ms. Hodge stated that she would set up a room for a workshop.

Mr. Matousek stated that he felt the meeting time needed to state the actual time the meeting would last, i.e., 3:00 - 5:00, 3:00 - 7:00……..

Chair Libby asked if the general feeling of the Advisory Committee was to adjourn their discussion of the application, and accept the sections that had not been changed significantly by staff and the Committee.

Ms. Cobean MOVED that the Committee ACCEPT all sections that have not been changed by staff and discuss the funding issue at a workshop. Ms. Hargreaves SECONDED the motion. The Committee unanimously APPROVED the motion.

Chair Libby stated that the Volusia Forever Chairman requested postponement of the combined meeting for fear it was prior to the County Council’s discussion of some of the issues. He did not want to be on record prior to the County’s discussion.

Ms. Williams brought an omission to the Committee’s attention on Page 30, top of the page with the bullets, service provider was taken out because of the impact it could have on the bidding process. Ms. Hodge stated that she would make the correction.

Chair Libby asked if there was any other New or Old Business to discuss. There was none.

VI. Public Participation:

The floor was opened to the public for participation.

Mr. Tom Harowski, Development Services Director with the City of New Smyrna Beach, stated that some of their concerns had been addressed in a letter to Ms. Hodge and he hoped they had been shared with the Committee. He stated that the application was more complex than it needed to be. A few of the items included in his letter were:

(1) Size of grants - look at a tiered system. It is a concern that there will be large projects that will come in and take away most of the money.

(2) Grant matching - is land 50% of the match?

(3) Number of applications - They have other units within the City that could possibly apply for a grant. He wanted to know if that would be considered a separate agency and could they apply as a separate agency.

(4) The new project amendment procedure seems to be more workable than the original procedure.

Chair Libby stated that a lot of the provisions that appear to be "nit-picking" were picked up from the State Cultural Facilities Grant.

Mr. Harowski felt that this type of application would be squeezing out the smaller organizations that couldn’t afford to put out $4,000 - $5,000 of costs, on the bet they would get a grant.

Ms. Hodge stated that the 8/6/01 draft was available for Mr. Harowski.

Chair Libby stated that he understood his concerns and the level of detail involved.

Mr. Harowski questioned what the "detail budget" told the Board about the quality of the project. He felt all that was really required was a concept plan of what was going to be built and a list of the major elements and the cost. He stated at that time (if you do get the grant) the Board would be presented with a required list of pre-construction information. Chair Libby asked that Mr. Harowski follow-up with a letter that summarized his concerns.

Ms. Hodge stated she had not received his letter. Mr. Harowski provided a copy for Ms. Hodge to distribute to the Board.

Mr. Larry Nordman, City of DeLand, Parks and Recreation was concerned about verbiage that was deleted in the definition section and that an applicant could only apply in one category of ECHO in any one project.

Chair Libby stated that the definition section was moved to another area of the draft. He stated that the Board was considering if an applicant could apply in any one or in all four of the areas. There was discussion that maybe it should be in two of the four areas. Mr. Libby felt that it was a practical consideration to limit the number of applications, per applicant.

Alice Cycler stated that she had a concern that the public could only get up and speak at the end of the meeting after all the votes were taken. She felt there was no public participation. She also had concerns about when the Committee sends their approval list to County Council, "Can the Council reject individual projects or do they reject the whole list." Ms. Cycler commented that it seemed that the money was being allocated up to $500,000 and there were multiple cities and apparently four budgeted governments. "Would there be any priorities given over non-profit organizations?" She voiced concern that the bonus points would be given to governmental organizations only.

Chair Libby stated that they could have public participation on each issue but they are bound by time restraints. He stated that County Council could reject individual applications, and priorities would not be given to any applicant. Under the ECHO grant program, the County Council and the citizens that voted for this competitive grant process, created as level a playing field as possible. He stated that multiphase bonus points could go to any of the applicants.

Mr. Greg Bartholomew, City of South Daytona, asked if the drafts and agendas could be e-mailed or mailed out to the public prior to the meeting.

Chair Libby reinforced that this was just a draft document and there was no sense of urgency at this stage in the hearings. These issues have been addressed and motions made and revisited many times. They have not had a workshop with County Council yet, so they are a long way off from the finished product. He stated that before there is a final document, there would be public hearings and the documents were subject to change.

Ms. Hodge expressed concern with sending out staff generated minutes/information that the Committee had not seen, reviewed, discussed, or approved. Ms. Hodge stated that the bulk of the 8/6/01 draft would not change.

Chair Libby stated that the sub-committee on grants did look at a whole broad range of grant applications. He stated that the Cultural Facilities Program keeps being mentioned over and over because it has been the traditional partner for the biggest dollars in capital construction.

There was no one else from the public who wanted to speak.

VII. Staff Meeting Update:

Ms. Hodge stated that the next meeting date was Wednesday, August 22, 2001, in the Training Room on the first floor, from 3:00 p.m. until 7:00 p.m. This would be a workshop with a facilitator on the issue of funding.

Mr. Schleicher questioned whether the Committee would be provided green folders at the meeting with all the "printed" information that had been E-Mailed to them prior to the Board meeting. If so, he stated that this would prevent him from printing and would help save trees.

Ms. Hodge responded "Yes, the E-Mailed information (agenda, minutes…..) would be included in the Board’s green folders and there would be no need for members to print the information."

Ms. Cobean asked that the funding scenarios created by staff, and included in this meeting’s packet, be included in the workshop information. She encouraged the Board members to read them carefully because the examples brought a lot to light.

Chair Libby asked that all of the information pertaining to funding be reviewed by the Committee prior to the workshop on August 22.

Ms. Hodge commented that the scoring samples of current projects included some "partnership grants" and partnerships had been deleted from the current application draft document (dated 8-6-01). Staff felt that the Committee was not moving toward partnerships. Ms. Hodge reminded the Board that the samples were all hypothetical situations.

Chair Libby stated that ECHO has a 2:25 p.m. time certain at next week’s County Council meeting. He urged each of the Committee members to either forward to Ms. Hodge any questions they may have for the County Council or bring them to the meeting.

Mr. Schleicher stated that his main question to the County Council was for them to define what their role would be in the Grant Funding and Selection process.

Ms. Pulver, Daytona Beach News Journal, questioned when it changed from being strictly a County Council and "staff discussion" to a "time certain" at County Council.

Chair Libby stated that originally the ECHO Board had been scheduled (8/16/01) for "staff time" with the County Council and he (out of consideration for the Council) was planning on attending the Council meeting. He stated that the time shifted to a "time certain" agenda item and the Board was going to take the opportunity to share some questions with the Council.

VIII. Adjournment:

Chair Libby asked if there was anything else from members of the committee. There was none. Chair Libby asked for a motion to adjourn.

Mr. Schleicher MOVED to ADJOURN the meeting. Ms. Williams SECONDED the motion. The meeting adjourned at 5:45 p.m.

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